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00:00 The Five. 00:05 Hello, everyone. I'm Emily Campagno, along with Harold Ford Jr., Jesse Waters, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld. It's five o'clock in New York City, and this is The Five. 00:35 You must use your mind 00:45 America is mourning the loss of an icon. Country music legend, actress, and beloved philanthropist Dolly Parton has died at the age of 80 after some health setbacks. President Trump announcing flags will be lowered tonight at 6 p.m. to honor her life, saying this, quote, There has never been anyone like her and never will be. We'll have much more ahead on her incredible life and legacy. But first to this. Jesse Waters taking on Michigan's far left Senate candidate, Abdul El-Sayed, last night grilling him on all the issues. 01:17 Watch. 01:18 Want to abolish ICE? 01:20 Who's going to deport the criminal aliens from the country? Well, you and I both know that we've long before we ever had ICE, we had INS. I mean, that's a dodge, Abdul. 01:29 They did the same thing as ICE back then, INS. You got a guy here from Southeast Asia, molested a kid. ICE just picked him up. 01:38 You want that guy to stay in Michigan? I'm glad that that guy got picked up, but that's a different thing than saying that INS would not have picked him up. Well, look, man, I think more people are more worried about whether or not they can see a doctor than whether or not they can have a gun. I'm just going to put that out there. 01:51 So getting rid of Sharia law's white supremacy, can you explain that one? 01:57 Do you know what canon law is, Jesse? I don't begrudge you your right to practice your faith as you choose. 02:03 So you dodged again. 02:04 Sex changes for minors. Do you support that? The government shouldn't tell you what kind of health care you should have. You want to try on kids? Now, if you disagree with that, if you disagree with that, if you disagree that health care decisions need to be made by a doctor and their parents and a patient, do you really want to have this conversation? Are you circumcised? 02:25 Yeah, yeah, but I mean, that's a personal question, doctor. So you probably should want to move on. You probably should want to move on. Is circumcision different than castration? 02:36 That comes as El-Sayed finally put some distance between himself and socialist sweetheart Hassan Piker, sort of, after the controversial streamer suggested that American Jews who support Israel could invite violence against themselves. El-Sayed's campaign released a statement lightly pushing back on Piker, saying this, quote, nobody speaks for this campaign besides me and my campaign spokespeople. 03:02 Jesse, tell us everything. 03:04 Well, I guess everybody now knows I'm circumcised. 03:08 Nothing left to say, I guess. 03:09 I'm writing that down. 03:11 You know, usually you look at the headlines, and if your headline is all about your penis, usually you've done something very wrong. 03:20 In this case, I thought the interview was fine. 03:23 He thought it was compelling. He's a confident guy, kind of a guy's guy, but I don't trust him. I like him. I don't want to like him. I like him for some stupid reason, but he's not right for Michigan. He wouldn't take a stand on anything. I asked him about boys and girls sports, Green New Deal, reparations. He's on the record as backing all this, and he just dodges everything. And wasn't prepared. Like, didn't do his homework, didn't know how many illegals were here, didn't know the federal budget, didn't know how much Medicare for all costs. 03:56 But... 03:58 He does not usually sound like a politician. That's probably why he won that primary. But last night he did, and I expected more. But he wants to come back. I don't know why he wants to come back. He wants to do it in studio. I'm happy to have him in studio, but he's had three days in a row of really bad press. So if this guy wants to win that state, he needs to... 04:21 Get his standing together and try to settle things down, because right now it's going down. 04:28 Jesse identifying massive flaws in that interview, Harold, and many critics looking at that saying sort of, you know, he would peak as a mayor of a town, that that's not a Senate candidate quality type of policy, defense or articulation, and especially not with any kind of preparation or reading of the issues. 04:45 So congratulations. Good to be back. I thought you did a great job last night. 04:52 He was he's evolving and maturing as a candidate, as a political athlete. I do. I think Jesse's point about it was hard not to like him. I don't agree with him on a lot of things. And I thought he missed an opportunity. 05:08 He being Dr. El-Sayed here, Abdul, missed an opportunity to say, Hassan Piker, let me speak for my campaign and for myself. We do not associate. We do not align with. In fact, we disagree with many of the positions he has, and particularly the most violent and obnoxious and reprehensible about the state of Israel and Jewish people. 05:31 I thought I was surprised he didn't do that. What he did do, and I thought was interesting, Dan, and the reason I made the point of me is that I think he tried to often shift the conversation to what I believe will be the most important thing on voters' minds if the election were held today. And it's hard to think that it will change. I hope it changes dramatically that people are not worried about the cost of groceries and gas like they are today. But if it doesn't, that's where I believe Democratic candidates ought to be focused, which is why, again... 05:59 I'd say to the doctor and I'd say to the candidate there in Michigan, who I have expressed my doubts about throughout the campaign. If you can distance yourself from Hassan Piker and what he stands for, we in this city are about to commemorate the 25th anniversary of the greatest attack on our nation in my lifetime, 9-11 here downtown New York. 06:20 If we're a guy who believes that we may have deserved that or for a guy who believed that we had it coming and you can't distance yourself from him with language and not saying we speak for ourselves, speak for yourself and distance yourself from him and don't be around him. If you do that, I think it'll be easier for voters in Michigan and for that matter, voters across the country to listen and to listen to you with listen more credibly and seriously to some of your ideas. Now, I do think Medicare for all costs too much. 06:49 I do think some of the ideas DSA has, simply with a $40 trillion debt, and Democrats and Republicans are to blame for this. And I might add, if we want to be fair, we've seen the greatest growth in our debt rate over the last few years with President Trump in office. But this is a Democrat-Republican problem, and we're not going to solve it by simply adding more and more to it. So kudos on the interview. 07:09 Thank you. 07:10 Well, I don't think he's matured as a candidate. I think that he skated through on the primary and got through partly because he doesn't sound like a politician. But every time Jesse asked him something, he said, you're not asking me about the things that people are asking me about. 07:23 And the reason is because he doesn't go to anything that people don't totally agree with him. Like all the Bernie Sanders events. Yeah. They agree with you, but you're not running against them in the general election. You're not running against Jesse Waters in the general election. You're running against Mike Rogers. He says we'll see if there's a debate. I guess he was questioning that. But he was running against him. So he's on the wrong side. About 70 to 80 percent of Americans disagree with most of the things that he says he is for. And I didn't see anything last night that made me think, wow, he is really appealing to independent women in Michigan tonight. 08:00 Wow, that is great. He is a bro, and that might work with some of the bros. Fine. But when you start to get to, like, if he ever actually had to answer a question rather than, like, turning it around, like, are you circumcised? Like, are you kidding me? And also... 08:13 I am, by the way, too. 08:15 That's good to know. Greg will speak here in a moment if he wants. But nobody is asking you the questions that... 08:23 that matter to people because you are in this bubble wrap of the Bernie Sanders thing. So I don't actually think he's maturing as a candidate because if he was, he wouldn't have been able to hit all of those out of the park. On the populist language that we've even heard from some people on the right now, like taxing the rich, some of that, I would say, yeah, that would probably play pretty well on the campaign trail. But when he said, for example, don't you think that you're going to want to keep your doctor? Yes, that's what we've been fighting about. And in fact, your wife doesn't take Medicare, doesn't take insurance. 08:56 Will she take Medicare for all patients? All of a sudden, you guys are going to take Medicare for all patients. Plus, they have investments. 09:02 The whole thing about you're not earning money based on the fruit of your labors, but you have investment. He has a second home in Dubai. 09:10 I'm assuming that's because you want to have an investment. And are you working on the house? No, you're getting money from the house appreciating and possibly you're renting it out. I don't know. So, again, he's not running against Jesse. 09:25 or against the bros in the Bernie sector. He is running against Mike Rogers, and it is going to be the Senate race to watch. I do hope that he comes back because Lake Michigan, I want to hear more about windmills on Lake Michigan. I want to hear about getting rid of the Second Amendment, and I want to know if he thinks Ennis Cantor Freedom should play for the WNBA. 09:44 Greg Harold called him a political athlete. 09:47 I say he was developing. An athletic supporter. I want to make sure Dana knows. I'm not saying he's there. I don't mean to interrupt Greg, but I don't think he's there. But he was better than I thought he was going to be. 09:55 Well, OK. Well, first of all, I mean, let's give credit where credit is due. I know that he's an obnoxious blowhard. Nobody likes, especially on this network. Yet this self-obsessed a-hole did come on Fox and did 10 minutes with Abdul Al-Sayed. So... 10:17 I don't think we're making a big enough deal that he compared circumcision to castration. 10:22 Thank God he doesn't practice medicine because you'd go in for a hangnail and he'd amputate your arm. He's not a good doctor. But this is kind of a reoccurring strategy with lefties. It's an asymmetrical comparison. It's like when you say... 10:37 you guys celebrate violence, the death of Charlie Kirk, they'll say, well, Trump called Rosie O'Donnell fat. Or you say, you know, you guys excused riots and looting. They said, well, Trump called illegal immigrants thugs. It's like they're always like trying to balance it with something else. They also use the classic, he used the classic strategy of deliberate ignorance, pretending not to know the issue about trans. So when he, when it's almost like, again, it's your responsibility to, To mention the science that is lacking on trans, that it's a castration of healthy children and the amount of activist influences driving from it. 11:15 There's a contagion effect and that most of the world has run screaming from this barbarism. But he understands that you're not you only have 10 minutes. You don't have time to explain all that. So he can casually dismiss it. And it. It's a terrible strategy to to to act like that's a distraction because it's sunk the Democrats. You know, ignorance is not going to be your ally on that issue. I would like to know one question, though, from anybody in the DSA. If America and its Western roots are so bad, what country should we be like? 11:46 Just bring it into the present day. Tell us what country should we be like? You know, is there a third world country you can point to and say we need to be more like that? Because what they do is they're really good on diagnosing and criticizing capitalism and free markets and individual responsibility. But they never can talk about solutions because their solutions are never humane. It's just decades of future suffering until we finally get sick of it. And nobody nobody's ever held accountable. for socialism they just kind of like become something else and then go somewhere else but there's never any effective effective solutions just criticism it is funny with piker because like you know saeed uses his audience and knowing that he's an extremist with a megaphone and And then when people realize what a scumbag Piker is, it's like he's like, well, you know, it's like you borrowed your neighbor's lawnmower knowing he runs a meth lab. 12:47 And the cops go, why didn't you call the cops? You go, well, he lent me the lawnmower. 12:52 That picture, by the way, right there, that was the night before the primary election. Yeah. It wasn't like some one-off barbecue. They were actually the night before the election making sure they were together. 13:04 All right, guys, coming up next, here we go again. The Democrats pull out the fascist card on Hakeem Jeffries for just talking with Trump's family. 13:13 Did you know I will? 13:16 I will always love you. 13:23 I will always love you. 13:30 See you soon. 13:37 Hakeem Jeffries getting bullied by his fellow Democrats for the crime of meeting with Jared Kushner to discuss common ground ahead of the midterms. So it's time for some real talk. 13:50 I want to give you a little real talk on this Jared Kushner situation. 13:56 He asked for a meeting and I took it. 14:00 We're going to hold every single member of the Trump cartel accountable. 14:07 beginning on day one. We're going to follow the facts, apply the law, and hold the crooks accountable. 14:20 And that's what we've done as House Democrats. 14:22 I had no idea he got another job managing the greens at a peewee golf course. 14:29 Anyway, it's going to take more than dressing like St. Patrick's Day to call off the dogs. 14:35 I don't want to work with fascists. I don't want to collaborate with fascists. There is no working with criminals. We need to hear from future Speaker Jeffries immediately. Why are you meeting with Jared Kushner? And so you meet with Jared Kushner. 14:49 We need to drag his before committee. 14:53 And find about what backdoor deal in a house he's got going on with Steve Witkoff and everybody else. We're not going to be nice to you. These people. 15:05 Wow, who's that old guy before James Carville? 15:11 Looks pretty good for his age, though. 15:12 Yeah, James Carville or the other guy? No, the other guy. Yeah, the other guy. So that's what a lot of Botox will do, Emily, not that you need any. You're as beautiful as is. All right, so are we at a time now where meeting with people you disagree with is now a collaboration with fascists? I feel like that's only from one side, Harold. 15:35 No, you. That's for you, Emily. Sorry to be confusing. This is catching strange. 15:39 You circumcised it. 15:47 Yeah, the Democrat Party has become a purity cult. And at what point did it shift, right? The litmus test, there's zero bipartisanship. There's zero approval for even the attempt. And it's sort of ironic considering that with the stronghold and the stalemate, actually, that the country has been in for a while, I'm surprised that there's not a reasonable, louder middle voice to say... hey guys, listen, everyone's being so polarizing right now, but I'm the one that's going to get things done. There is zero attention paid to anything like that. I think this is most telling about Jeffrey's leadership or lack thereof. 16:21 Think about how tightly Pelosi controlled her caucus. And he is now out there defending a meeting before he's even leader. He took one meeting and he's slobbering all over the ground about, well, why I did it. And also, but not to worry, I'm going to prosecute the cartels. This is the lack of a vertebrate I hope that the Democrat Party sees. But they're going to eat him alive, those people on the left that are pulling him to the left anyway. And I also think interesting about this is... is that the Democrats can't have their cake and eat it too. So while they are lambasting President Trump's family and saying essentially they are illegitimate in illegitimate positions, well then, why are you treating that as a conduit to Susie Wiles and to policymaking? 17:03 Why then did Jeffries actually acquiesce to that meeting? So they, I think, are definitely trying to have both sides, but the chopping block to this will be Jeffries. 17:15 Can you throw up a shot of that, Hakeem, of him? I want to talk to Harold about this. Is this a new trend or is Hakeem Jeffries shrinking? 17:25 Does he have some strange shrinking ailment where he gets tinier and tinier as his hat gets bigger and bigger? Are we supposed to pretend like this isn't happening? 17:34 I'm a Yankees fan, too. I think, first off, I applaud him for taking the meeting. I think that one of the things that is lost, and I think Emily was talking about it as well, is no one talks to people they disagree with. No one talks to people that they have massive disagreements, let alone little disagreement. Our country is way off course because of it. I listened to the young woman who I think is a podcast fan. 18:00 That's quite generous. 18:06 To deal with leadership and to deal in leadership, political leadership, you can't be mad about something from yesterday, a week ago, six months ago, a year ago, if you want to be in politics. You've got to have the view of a great, great cornerback in the NFL. You get beat on one play, you come back, and you play the next play. If we're going to solve problems for real people, if we're going to help people lower their health costs, if we're going to help remove tariffs, if we're going to help deal with the debt, you can't do it with just Democrats. And Republicans can't do it with just Republicans. You have to be willing to work with people. So you have to grow up. 18:37 And get real. I would say to all the Democrats, I trust that Hakeem Jeffries shared with him about health care, that you've got to restore some of these things to make sure people's health care costs are going. We'd love to work with you on that. I don't think the tariffs are working, Mr. Kusher. There are things we'd want to work with you on that. Are there things we're going to have to investigate the president on? Oversight? Sure. But that can't be the focus. So I applaud. 18:57 I applaud Hakeem for doing what he did. And I urge you and encourage you to do a little bit of what Emily just said. Stand up to those in the caucus and say, this is not an admission of defeat. This is an admission of strength that we can say, we'll work with you. We'll advance our agenda and work with you to do it. 19:13 Dana, I, I, I, I enjoy Harold's idealism, but that ship has sailed with the Democrats. Even the DSA is telling the Democrats that there is no common ground with us, you know? So like, you can't be like, that's just that the DSA is, what are you doing meeting with a Jew? 19:32 And don't have no one, maybe on either side, but certainly. 19:37 Did they say that? Is that what they said? Who? The USA. 19:39 They said, what are you doing meeting with the whole camp? 19:42 No, I just made that up. Jesus, Harold. 19:44 Harold, it's been a few days. Get with it. Okay, here we go. 19:48 I got circumcised years ago. 19:52 I am not circumcised. 19:53 Oh, good for you. 19:54 It's supposed to be clear. Okay. 19:58 Democrats should be under no illusion that all of a sudden the Republicans are going to work with them and Republicans, if they lose the majority, should not be thinking that all of a sudden it's going to be sunshine and rainbows and unicorns. The Democratic base wants blood, which is why Hakeem Jeffries does this video in this ridiculous hat. I mean, he does the worst. He does the worst. The hat is terrible. I don't understand the flat bill hat. I can't stand them. But also, how do we know that this meeting was even about policy? Hakeem Jeffries. 20:24 is maybe not going to be the speaker. Yeah. He might have been talking to him about the future job in Albania at the new resort that they are building. Maybe they were talking about other sort of possibilities for Hakeem in the future. And this is the other thing. The Democrats are all mad that Hakeem Jeffries took a meeting with Jared Kushner. 20:44 Jared Kushner couldn't meet with anybody, of course. We are sending him to meet with terrorists and to negotiate with them and to figure out what we're supposed to be doing in Iran and also with Hamas. But my first reaction to this was that if I were a Republican member, I wouldn't have liked this. 21:01 Yeah. 21:02 Because what it said to me was that they think there's a foregone conclusion or a more than likely chance that the Republicans are going to lose the majority. So why even work that hard, guys? Yeah. 21:12 Wow, that's a good point. Jesse, last word to you. 21:16 So Hakeem meets with Trump once and then he turns into a Mexican. Remember, he put the sombrero on him. Then he meets with Kushner and he looks like a leprechaun. I don't know what this guy is doing. I know when Kushner met with Hamas, that was less controversial than meeting with Hakeem. I got the scoop on the meeting. 21:35 These guys are friendly. They've been friendly since criminal justice reform. They met last year in person, too. So Jared reached out to him to have a meeting to brief him on the Middle East and to try to get him to meet Susie Wiles because they have the budget coming up. That's the CR, Greg. But I didn't say CR. Good for you. And Trump wants to do a deal, right? And so Jeffries leaks this meeting with Kushner to the Times to make it look like, oh, the White House thinks the Democrats are going to win the House, so they're already bending the knee. 22:07 And you know what it does? Boom, backfires on him. Now he looks like a leprechaun. 22:11 Oh, well, you know what? It's not so bad to look like a leprechaun. 22:15 It's not easy being green. Yes. 22:17 All right, coming up, helipads and saunas up high while all these homeless are hung out and dry. That's next. 22:27 Came from nowhere to St. Francis Street. 22:32 Too far, baby, I played a role. Came to see down the road I go. 22:40 Living life like a Sunday stroll. 22:44 So, L.A.'s top homeless agency coming under fire over how they are managing a ballooning crisis. According to the California Post, L.A. Homeless Services Authority, a taxpayer-funded city agency, is renting office space in a luxury L.A. tower complete with amenities like a helipad, car service, cold plunge, and swanky gym. And while the people they claim to be helping are living in squalor, the agency telling Fox its luxury building lease was competitively selective, saves taxpayers millions and public funds don't pay for the amenities. 23:18 It is the same agency that L.A. Mayor Karen Bass sits on, but she is apparently nowhere to be found. A new report says Mayor Bass has skipped more than half of the group's meetings and residents have clearly had enough. 23:33 It's a game you play in L.A. Is it animal or human waste? Six, seven men out here on drugs. I can't go up to them. Hey, can you go away? 23:43 I don't want to jump in with my life. It's like Gotham City. You need a Batman to come help you or save you or something because I'm in danger of being bankrupt and homeless myself. And then will the city protect me then? 23:54 All right, this is, I guess, just adding insult to injury, Emily. I... 24:01 This is such an administrative industry, guys. It is absolutely mind-blowing that, as we even cover, that the homelessness is ballooning. But so, too, are the donations. So, too, is the budgeting. 86% of LAHSA's budget goes to non-profits and shelters. So, first of all, just know that... Of the $500 million budget that they enjoy from our taxpayer dollars, a whole 14% of it is just going to overhead and helipads. And them saying it doesn't fund the amenities, we know that's ridiculous. 24:31 The whole point is it's wrapped up in the fee of rent. You pay for whatever your building is doing. 24:36 Karen Bass appointed herself for the accountability as the overseer. And like you pointed out, she skipped 25 of 47 commission meetings, including 13 of the last 21. And she recorded five straight absences from the audit committee. You know what's in the bylaws of that organization, by the way, that if you miss that much meetings, that you can be removed. And they didn't even notify her office. So you're trying to tell me that we are supposed to trust the the administration in that state, that they have our best interests in mind, that they have the homeless best interests in mind, and that I'm supposed to trust them with my tax dollars. 25:10 And then you have her saying she's the best candidate to lead L.A. and Gavin Newsom's the best candidate to lead the country. This is an utter failure, a traceable one. And no one in California seems to have a voice other than that vocal minority patting themselves on the back and asking for more money for the homeless. 25:27 Greg, it might be a clue to how the state of California could spend $24 billion under Gavin Newsom, lose the money, not track any results, and then five years later say, whoops, homelessness went up. 25:36 How do they have a helipad? They don't even have a helicopter. I have a helicopter. Well, actually, I borrowed it from Hannity. But I don't have a helicopter. I don't have a helipad. This is you know what Bass is like. She's like a teacher who skips like more than half the classes and then talks about how seriously she takes the students lousy grades. But but Emily's right. This is the self licking ice cream ice cream cone. She knows it's a business that runs itself. Money comes in. You give it out through contracts. You got to blame it. 26:07 I mean, everybody's guilty. The luxury tower. It's like they realize that they can get a sure deal renting out that space because nobody's living there. This happened in New York City. Hotels in New York City all took these deals for illegal immigrants and the homeless. And then all of a sudden that jacked up all the prices for hotel rooms in the remaining hotels because. You know, there wasn't enough. It's like rent control, but I don't want to get into it here because it's very, very complicated. Again, it's a delicate balance. You want to appear like you're addressing homelessness without actually reducing it because its incentive is to keep the homelessness alive. 26:44 So the money could go here. You move them to a temporary spot. It's whack-a-mole meets a shell game. That's what it is. 26:51 Jesse, the hella pad is hella bad. 26:55 Dana's on fire this week. 26:57 She really is. You should hear what she says in the breaks. 27:00 So this is a jobs program, the homeless agency. The unions send the cash and the votes to the politicians, and the politicians send the unions no-show jobs and perks. Guess who loves perks? 27:13 Women. Women. 27:15 Thank God. People in California are noticing a trend and they're telling me something. What? The people who run the homeless agency run by women. Chicks. The head of the agency, Gita, she makes $400,000. That's as much as the president of the United States. And she hired all women in the agency. City council, all women. The person who runs the committee, ramen like the noodle, woman. 27:43 The mayor, a woman, hired all women at the mayor's office. Now, I'm not seeing a trend. People in California are seeing it, and they're telling me. I'm just reporting it. 27:56 Harold, do you think if they hired some men, it would get better? 28:00 Let's control, pause, tab that for one second. I believe that I read an interesting piece over the week, I think it was over the weekend, about Joe Lonsdale, the entrepreneur out in California who's been very successful, who has a controversial way about trying to deal with this issue. And, Greg, actually, this is something you've been saying a long time. You've got to deal with the addiction and you've got to treat that. Before you treat the housing now, as as as my faith says, you've got to do them both at the same time. But I'm a believer. I said something on the show last week about believing that we ought to have a universal basic income, not because I want people not to work, because I think if you force dramatic answers on situations that are going to pose dramatic challenges, you force people that begin to come together more seriously and think about it. 28:45 If we're saying to the homelessness issue in our country that you can't sleep on the street, that we want to end encampments, and some people believe that is cruel. Don't get me wrong. I think that the way they've done housing in California is a disaster. It's a failure. They should not be in a building where there's a helipad on the top of it. It's just not the right optics. Whether they're not paying for rent or they are paying for rent, that's not what you want to be doing. But we have a serious issue here, and I think it takes dramatic answers, sometimes provocative answers. It's not a housing problem. 29:11 These are people who come here because they can. But there are people on the street who I know can't. I see them here in New York. Oh, yeah. Those are mentally ill. They should be institutionalized. 29:20 But they also are facing. You can't put them in a house. My compassion says we have to do something. But I don't believe that long term the answer is to just give them money. Give an agency money. Lock them up. You've got to figure out ways to treat. But you've also got to figure out ways to be humane to them. And I think we're more humane at times. 29:39 Not than we should be, but if we really want to be humane, we ought to treat them for the issues that they're dealing with, mental health, and the drug addiction, and other substances, that matter, alcohol, whatever it may be. But we've got to think about this differently. And I give Lonsdale... I think we have... And I have all the right answers. 29:55 I think you answered what Jesse was saying about... 29:59 Men are missing from this discussion because men would say, get them off the street, institutionalize them, because we see the problem and we want to solve it. But what happens is women, and I'm saying this as an observation based on Jesse's commentary, rely too much on the compassion filter to be out of fear. Like, to me, it's compassionate to take them off the street. Yeah. That's compassionate. 30:26 But women go, no, no, no, no, no. We need to give them a nice place. 30:29 We need to give them pillows. 30:30 Margaret Thatcher was one of the great leaders of the 20th century. She certainly would not fit. 30:35 Well, you know, there are also really, really, really tall women. But men are taller. 30:39 Also, if you have Medicaid, you don't need UBI. 30:44 I just wanted to make this interesting. Take it personally. 30:47 Men created some of these problems, too. So I get it. But I just think we need to be. 30:50 Most of the men are homeless. Most of the men are homeless. 30:53 But apparently there are a couple of men on the board or something. I don't know. I don't want to fact check, Jesse, while we're here. And I couldn't even really understand what they were saying. But there might be a couple of men or two around. 31:00 It's not important. It's not all women. It was just a boring topic. But leadership is all women. 31:06 People are saying to me. 31:07 That's what allegedly people are saying. J.P. Pritzker goes Governor Maxine, but critics say it's actually Cringe Maxine. 31:15 I still remember it all. September calling it all. Here's to the rise and fall of summer. Tell the sweet little lies. 31:35 This one, he feeds off of it. 31:37 Speaking of, Illinois Governor J.B. Back Ribs trying to body the 2028 field with a bizarre governor maxing video. Watch. 31:55 Dana. 31:56 Dana. 31:58 One of the problems for anybody wanting to run in 2028 is that they don't have name ID. Nobody knows his name. Now we've played this so many times on Fox News and it will go everywhere. For as cringy as it is, if it increases name ID, maybe they think it'll be worth it. But I still feel like all Democratic staffers should have their phones taken away until they can get some maturity and some better creativity. 32:18 You like this, Harold? 32:19 I think Dana's probably right. I don't profess. Dana's absolutely right. I don't understand the social media thing, so I defer to people that do so. 32:30 Oh, well, let's defer to one who does. Emily Campagno. 32:34 I'm like eight generations above Z. 32:36 Well, you're always on your phone shooting stuff. 32:38 That's true. You're always stealing my assistant to do it. Oh, my God. You don't think I know? Welcome to the show. 32:43 Johnny's my friend. It's called friendship. Oh, that's what that's called? It means people like and respect each other mutually. Anyway, whatever. All right, whatever. 32:48 I pay Johnny to be my friend. Fine. 32:52 I think it is sad. First of all, I hate when you see old people trying to do young things. It just annoys me. Either it comes naturally or it doesn't. Obviously, he's failing at it. But I also find it interesting that this is a governor who has governed for eight years. And you're telling me that his clearly campaign ad for 2028 is on a Gen Z slang trip, a TikTok trend, that no part of that is actually about policy. This person put $65 million of his own money into the campaign, and he's coming out and trying to curry Gen Z by being like, no, I'm awesome, and I'm down, or I don't know, whatever lingo they use. 33:26 So this shows it's not about constituency. It's just about clicks. 33:31 All right. How about some Greg Maxing? 33:33 Yeah, it just looks like a perfume ad for a man who eats perfume. 33:38 But, I mean, if you want something shallow to look deep, you always film it in black and white. It's like an arthouse trailer about a man wandering through his giant mansion searching for ice cream. Who told him this was a good idea? I don't know. I wonder how many times he's watched it. If you think it's been on Fox a lot, believe me, he's been looking at it 10, 20, 100 times. You know, it's just thirsty. It's something you would do, Jesse. 34:04 Black and white makes you look deep? 34:05 Yeah. 34:06 I just realized who he looks like. Have you guys seen Dick Tracy? Yep. I think it's lips. Yeah. Lips man or whatever. You know what I'm talking about. No. No one knows. No one ever knows. Everyone knows. Everyone knows what I'm talking about. 34:18 Everyone. Get used to that. 34:21 America mourns a national treasure. Dolly Parton, dead at 80. 34:54 The whole nation's in shock. Dolly Parton dead at 80 after some health backs. Off stage, Dolly gave back the voting decades of childhood literacy in my home state. Watch this here. 35:08 Of course, I want to be known as a songwriter and a singer, but I honestly can honestly say that the Imagination Library has meant as much, if not more, to me than nearly anything that I've ever done, certainly anything that I do in my charity work or anything like that. 35:27 This is a woman who sold 100 million records, 25 number one country singles, the most ever by a female artist. 35:36 Grew up with nothing, dirt poor. The story says that when she was born, Dana, that her father didn't have money to pay the doctor, so he paid him in corn mill. One of 11 kids. 35:46 If you don't believe in country music or you didn't like her, believe in America. This is an American story here. And I met her once many years ago, over 20 years ago. And she was as dynamic and as stimulating as she was listening to her there talking about the Imagination Library. Your thoughts, DP? 36:04 Well, she truly was America's sweetheart. 36:09 I think she probably had the highest approval rating of anyone in America, and she will be greatly missed. What she did for literacy is incredible. Her songwriting, amazing. But the example that she set for all of us in terms of being an independent woman, getting through challenges, sticking with her marriage, and they had a beautiful relationship and just an incredible role model for all of us. 36:31 Islands in the Stream is the first song I knew, and now I have that in my head, and I was teaching. Actually, I was singing along with Johnny, who knew the song. 36:38 And then she wrote, I will always love you, which I believe is one of the most covered songs ever, including by Whitney Houston. 36:45 Jesse, she was quite a force. She influenced people all around the globe, on stage, off stage. Your thoughts on her passing? 36:54 Well, she always navigated politics well. You never really knew where she stood. And I think people in that industry could learn a lot from Dolly Parton. She affected people all over the country, all over the world. And that's the kind of star people appreciate. She had a very big heart and a very big presence, and she'll be missed. And if you need to reach her, you have to fax her. She only communicated through fax. I love that. 37:21 Jesse, you and Dana said it well, that even the New York Times back in 2019 ran a headline saying, is there anything we can all agree on? Yes. Dolly Parton. Your thoughts, Emily? 37:32 She's a walking ministry. And I realize the impact that she has had even on my life, that she was just always a part of it. I'm the daughter of a librarian and her commitment to literacy and reading, her participation with Sesame Street and everything as a child, and then in-country music, Three Chords and the Truth. And my mom always played her music for us. And then her movies. I mean, Steel Magnolias. My wedding colors were blush and bashful because of that movie. There's no world without Dolly in it. 38:01 And she is the definition of an angel among us. And now she's with her heavenly father and her husband. 38:08 You're the father of a little girl who this young lady grew up to be something incredibly special. Your thoughts about it, Mr. Gutfeld? 38:15 Well, I mean, I think for every single decade of my life, there's been Dolly Parton. Like she has never changed. Like there's no matter what the trend is, there was no like disco Dolly. There was no metal Dolly. It was just Dolly. She was just who she was from like the night. I mean, from the 1970s onwards, she never changed. That's kind of impressive to me to be that constant and icon. 38:43 She just did this amazing collaboration, by the way, with Good American. I wear her jeans. This was like a year ago. Like she's producing such amazing, prolific impact up until the day of her death. 38:54 Rest in peace, Miss Dolly. Eleven Grammys, a lot of music, and more importantly, a lot of humanity. We will always love you. 39:16 It's time now for one more thing. Greg. 39:18 Hi. Tonight. Ooh, this is fun. Michael Loftus, Michael Malice, Kat Tiff, and Tyrus is back. Fun. Jesse. 39:26 Happy TDS Tuesday. 39:34 I have a bear in Gatlinburg, Tennessee, and he went around in a store, and he got some sweet tea, and then he got real high off of that. 39:43 And they're like, okay. And, you know, that was right outside where Dolly Parton was born in Gatlinburg. 39:49 In my home island of Sicily, right off the coast, divers found a shipwreck thought to be from a long time ago. 39:56 Nice job. This day in 1944, Paris was liberated from Nazi occupation. 40:03 Listen to The Five ad-free on Amazon Music with your Prime membership or subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.